Talk:Zoology
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I'm just about to start doing something with the zoology page. Just messing about. Please feel free to ignore what I'm doing. I can lways revert the page back to its previous state if this doesn't lead anywhere. :) -- Oliver P. 07:51 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Branches of zoology
The branches of zoology presented seem a little colloquial and old fashioned; are these branches really relevant terms? They may discourage people from navigating further into specialised areas. I would encourage you to start with broad current fields like physiology and ecology and branch from there. [J.O'Connor nov 6 2003]
- Agree totally. I've rewritten and updated the section. Moved the old fashioned branches from article, keep here, just in case we want a "history of zoological branches section" (although I don't recommend one). --Lexor 10:48, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The following five branches of zoological study are recognized:
- Morphography. The work of the collector and systematist: exemplified by Linnaeus and his predecessors, Cuvier, Agassiz, Haeckel.
- Bionomics. The lore of the farmer, gardener, sportsman, fancier and field-naturalist, including thremmatology, the science of breeding, and the allied teleology, or science of organic adaptations: exemplified by the patriarch Jacob, the poet Virgil, Sprengel, Kirby and Spence, Wallace and Darwin.
- Zoo-Dynamics, Zoo-Physics, Zoo-Chemistry. The pursuit of the learned physician, zootomy and physiology: exemplified by Harvey, Haller, Hunter, Johann Muller.
- Plasmology. The study of the ultimate corpuscles of living matter, their structure, development and properties, by the aid of the microscope; exemplified by Malpighi, Hooke, Schwann, Kowalewsky.
- Philosophical Zoology. General conceptions with regard to the relations of living things (especially animals) to the universe, to man, and to the Creator, their origin and significance: exemplified in the writings of the philosophers of classical antiquity, and of Linnaeus, Goethe, Lamarck, Cuvier, Lyell, Spencer and Darwin.
It is unnecessary in this article to follow all these subjects, since they are for the most part treated under separate headings, and are too broad in themselves. Thus Bionomics is treated in such articles as evolution, heredity, variation, Mendelism, reproduction, sex, etc.; Zoo-dynamics under medicine, surgery, physiology, anatomy, embryology, and allied articles; Plasmology under cytology, protoplasm, etc.; and Philosophical Zoology under numerous headings, evolution, bioloigy, etc.
It will be more appropriate here, without giving what would be a needless repetition of considerations, both historical and theoretical, which appear in other articles, to confine ourselves to two general questions, (1) the history of the various schemes of classification, or Morphography, and (2) the consideration of the main tendencies iu the study of zoology since Darwin.
[edit] Human
Please come help out on Human. Were facing a number of questions regarding a past poll and its results, the positioning of the taxobox and an image, the definition of "Human", if Homo Sapiens should split off into its own article, and even if the "article in need of attention" header is appropriate. I'd like as much expert involvement as possible, if you please. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 11:41, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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User_talk:Decumanus#Hey. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 10:58, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Medical Doctors
Are Medical Doctors (including Dentists, Veterinarians, and Physicians) considered Zoologists? --Admiral Roo 14:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Animal anatomy
I have been advocating that we massively boost the amount of information Wikipedia provides on animal anatomy. It could be both interesting and informative, but right now it not anything at all; as it just doesn't exist on the site. I propose the following pages to be created:
- animal anatomy or zootomy - the parent page (perhaps with this article merged into it)
- vertebrate anatomy
- mammal anatomy (perhaps also marsupial anatomy and monotreme anatomy and even cetacea anatomy)
- bird anatomy - there is already a bird skeleton article, and more than enough info can be taken from the bird article
- reptile anatomy (as of 08/05/06 redirects to reptile)
- amphibian anatomy
- bony fish anatomy
- cartilaginous fish anatomy
- invertebrate anatomy
- crustacean anatomy
- insect anatomy etc...
- vertebrate anatomy
- The list could go on forever, I'm not sure whether ALL the possible articles deserve to exist, but most certainly the mammal/bird/reptile/amphibian/fish ones do, as that is what we all grown up with as the five main animal groups from early school. These article currently exist to deal with this field:
- cat anatomy - poor
- dog anatomy - good, but isn't really anatomy, more their physical appearance
- frog zoology - good
- [category:horse anatomy] - a whole category, with articles such as equine forelimb anatomy
- [catagory:marsupial zootomy]
- [catagory:dog anatomy]
- bird skeleton - good
- I have to admit I am no expert, I propose this in the hope that someone who is can help. What does everyone think? mastodon 15:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I think that if you want it to happen, your best chance at making it happen is to make a start at it yourself. Wikipedia:Be bold. Start with whichever one you know the most about... try to write a good stub... and hope for the best. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Bird anatomy seems the easiest, there is more than enough content in the bird article and bird skeleton article, so I have added a split tag, and am waiting a verdict. What is the normal process in this situation? mastodon 16:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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Can any one clear my doubt...Why the bulls become aggressive on seeing red color? Temuzion 10:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- Because they know that in a few minutes some asshole will try and stab him with a dozen short spears.
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[edit] Stupid Vandal!
Who keeps inserting the word "poop" into random spots in random articles? It's really getting on my nerves. I'm going to revert this if nobody objects. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.252.87.79 (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
- Hey, no objection here, anti-vandalism is a part of Wikipedia, right? You go ahead and get rid of them. Ahahaha, it's me, Rahk_EX 12:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] this article
is just a whole bunch of random code...or is it supposed to be like that. Vikram, 5:06 (no idea what time zone) , September 11, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.146.157.55 (talk) 21:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright violation
The lead in this article appears to have been a copyright violation (original source: [1]). You can compare the abstract of that Britannica article to this dif [2]. If anyone has full access to Britannica online, please note whether the lead or more of the article is a copy of the Britannica article. Justin chat 17:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
The 2007 entry being referenced above originally stems from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica and as such I believe that the relevant content is Public Domain. I will pursue this line of reasoning on the Britannica discussion for a definitive answer in regards to copyright status. If removal of such content has significantly detracted from the article I'm of the opinion that restoration of the EB based contributions with reference tags may be appropriate. 99.229.239.0 22:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
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- I just noticed the 'Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica' category is listed in the links below as well as the template in the header of this discussion which indeed verifies my initial assumption as well as suggests presentational templates. If it is insisted that such information be removed from the article for some reason other than a mistaken copyvio these templates and categories should be addressed as well. 99.229.239.0 00:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Relevant quote from the 2007 edition of Britannica Online: ... "branch of biology that studies the members of the animal kingdom and animal life in general. It includes both the inquiry into individual animals and their constituent parts, even to the molecular level, and the inquiry into animal populations, entire faunas, and the relationships of animals to each other, to plants, and to the nonliving environment."
Relevant quote from the 1911 edition: ... "portion of biology which relates to animals, as distinguished from that portion (Botany) which is concerned with plants."
It's also notable that the quote from the 1911 edition is the entire lead, whereas the modern editions use far lengthier leads. The Wikipedia entry was an exact copy of the 2007 Britannica Online which, at best, has minor resemblances to the 1911 edition. Derivative works of Public Domain words does not automatically make them Public Domain as well. Justin chat 01:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your clarification, TeaDrinker also brought these differences to my attention. These observations do present reasonable doubt for the removal of such content. Arguably, one could pursue further verification of whether it meets the "fair use" policy which is granted to some content in the modern editions, but you have significantly clarified your point. I still believe page blanking is a bit overly aggressive of a solution, although I may just be unfamiliar with wikipedia's potential copyright violation resolution policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.239.0 (talk) 01:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

