Talk:Zack de la Rocha
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[edit] Rewrite
rewrite this
what is with the final sentence fragment... not only is wildly editorial, its outrageously bad writing. change this crap.
[edit] Nu Metal
I don't think Rage Against the Machine is considered Nu Metal. (unsigned)
[edit] Web comic
i removed some bullshit about some web comic on this article. if that was wrong you can add it back, but it didn't really seem like it fit to me.
[edit] Photo
Anyone have objections to the PMRC photo here? I dont think its necessary or appropriate..its on the rage entry which is fine, especially since it actually goes with the part about the protest against the pmrc. But uhh..posting it twice, with no mention of the event? Kinda strange.--Sean.ridgeley 01:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] plurality when referring to bands
first as an aside, I don't think they're "nu metal" either what ever the fuck that is. rage needs like 9 style categories of their own.
Rage IS NOT NU METAL! There was nothing even close to Rage's style to call it a rebirth of anything. Furthermore, nu metal pussies have not come out with anything even close to as meaningful as Rage's first album. Nu metal is little boys crying and trying to sound hard... Pantera is real metal!--Mahnster1 02:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
"rage.. were formed"- I don't like it. Don't wann go down a hellish grammar road here, but I think it's acceptable to say the band was formed. I think I've seen plural names like the white stripes treated as singular, but it's more rare. Anyway, when the band name is singular is when you may see it either way. anybody who really gets deep into grammar wann weigh in, I'll listen- otherwise your wack I'm afraid. Kzzl
[edit] Clarify: paintings
New post: Since I can't figure out how to start a new comment (shouldn't there be a button somewhere, or should I have to be learned in the secret ways of the wikipedia cult first?) I'll just post it here. In the early bio section, it's unclear whether Zak destroyed his paintings or his fathers paintings. I'm sure the author is trying to express this had an effect on young zack, but I'm unsure what the effect was since I don't even know what happened. Also, could we get more insight on why his dad was so hellbent on destroying the pictures? It sounds like an interesting story why anyone would do that. Was he clinically insane? Or where they Zack's pictures, and his father just didn't approve of their content and the time that his boy spent on them?
- Response to above comment: To start new comment, click the + symbol next to 'edit this page'. Also I agree with you about the whole Beto de la Rocha nervous breakdown, just seems like there's so much more room for elaboration. In addition, there was a sentence that sounded confusing to me. It reads "paintings which had helped him establish a sense of Chicano identity." Who is "him"? Zack or Beto?
[edit] Absolute phrasing
Just a general remark to deification of musicians and bands. This sentence just cracked me up:
"who were highly regarded as one of the most influential rock bands in recent history"
Not only is it rather dodgy use of the English language, it also reads more like a made-for-fans-by-fans bio, than an encyclopedia entry.
The second part of the sentence is much better:
"as they helped pave the way for many of today's hard rock bands that fuse rap and rock."
That goes straight to the subject of the matter.
Unfortunately, this follows: "They were also known as one of the most politically-inspired bands in popular music's history."
So absolutist! Definitely the kind of statement that deserves elaboration and comparison. Who were also political? the MC5? PE? Ice Cube? Were they more or political or less? Or the same?
Rage were more political than the vast majority of popular bands. They are somewhat comparable with peace punk bands. They're more politically inspired than the most well-known examples of political activism in music; more than Bob Dylan, The Clash, Stevie Wonder or Bob Marley. They were - absolutely - more political than Ice Cube, PE or the MC5. Agreed, given the ideological nature of every sngle one of Rage's songs and their frequent unambiguous references to specific political and social figures/movements makes them "more political" than perhaps any other musicians in history.
[edit] Zack's Body
Anyone notice the strange disparity in the thickness of Zack's arms? The left one seems noticably skinnier. It's even more obvious in the naked protest pic on the RATM page. -- Sean 03:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Rescinded. Turns out my arms are like that, too. Must be noticeable with us skinny dudes... Sean 05:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Could also be that he plays the guitar with his right arm, since it's such a hardcore sound, it must require above average guitar playing in regards to strength
-zack doesn't play guitar in ratm. And are you sure about the arm thing? I've seen other pictures where he looks perfectly fine. ((Adam))
- I believe that technically, he does/did. I've seen a photograph of him with the band, sitting down with a guitar. He said in a Spin interview after the breakup that he wrote 40% of the music, on all instruments, though I think there was some debate from the band on the accuracy of that.--Sean.ridgeley 01:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
-Actually in the picture of Zack (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Zack_de_la_Rocha.jpg) his left hand is partially hidden behind his shirt so it looks skinnier than it really is.
[edit] a poet?
Since when is he a poet, I don't see anything published by him or any mention of it in the article. Rizla 01:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- His recitation of a poem he wrote is on the RATM DVD. He was certainly a poet. --Switch 15:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Aren't rappers poets in a sense? 68.195.47.239 19:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC) In a way, yes they are.--Adb jr (talk) 02:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Adb jr
[edit] bitpimps?
so follow the link to zack's official page. if i rightclick "save as" the download link, i get the song, but if i just click it i get brought to bitpimps, a porn site. does anyone know why he's hosting his song on a porn site? this seems bizarre. --dan 21:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- further note, the song i got from there turned out to be a useless 8kb file. i found the song elsewhere online, but i don't know why the link on his official site would be wrong, especially when quotes about thsi song are basically its only content. --dan 08:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
- I assume the site was hacked. Strangely amusing though.
Actually even the lyrics are (i think) incorrect, near the end "For oil that burn beneath the desert sun" (on the site) But if you listen to the song he clearly says "For oil that boil beneath the desert sun"
[edit] college
Did he attend any?
[edit] Citations
This page really needs correct citations, and information that can be validated. Where did the whole Roberto De La Rocha and painting information come from? As well as referenced to band history and early school life...--Amplicy 17:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a rumor that Zack is gay, and was even posted on this page at one point Stick to the rules of wikipedia and do not post anything that doesnt have a credible source That means until Zack makes his sexuality publically known through an interview or the like do not post rumors on an encyclopedia page.
[edit] Born
In the opening paragraph, it says he was born in 1970, but under the picture of him it says 1969. Which is it?
- Someone only just changed that. It's 1970 according to the book Rage Against the Machine. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 05:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Zack's Speech
"So who went out and joined us for the Democratic National Convention? I've never seen so many fucking cops in my whole life.. what do they do, they open fire on the crowd."
The speech is described as "notable," but what I noted was that there is no reference to show that any such event actually happened. At which Democratic National Convention did this supposedly happen? Shawn D. 16:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- The 2000 Democratic National Convention. For more information, see Rage Against the Machine#2000 Democratic National Convention and 2000 Democratic National Convention protest activity; the Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium DVD has a nice video of it. The events were covered by CNN, MTV, the New York Times, Rolling Stone etc. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 05:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wrong year
I got the Lyricist Lounge, vol. 1-album in 1998, so this information is not correct: "C.I.A. (Criminals In Action)" from Lyricist Lounge, Volume One (2000) with KRS-One and the Last Emperor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.63.243.46 (talk) 19:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC) he was gay
[edit] Political affiliation
Is there any information on Rocha's specific political affiliation? Of course, there can be no doubt that he is a socialist, but has he ever professed a preference for a specific philosophical or ideological background? If he has, it's the sort of thing that belongs on the page. If nothing else, the article could at least point out that he hasn't.--Cast (talk) 05:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] EZLN
- Moved from Rage Against The Machine to here by CloudNine. More suited to the article
De la Rocha made four trips to Chiapas in order to aid the EZLN. His first was in an observatory team monitoring negotiation between the EZLN and the Mexican government. At one point de la Rocha and others in the team formed a human chain to protect the EZLN from potential threats.[1]
His second trip, in February 1996, was to peace campaign camps in La Garrucha. de la Rocha said of the experience:
| “ | There, I experienced the terror and the intimidation to the integrity of the people by the soldiers; the isolation in which the communities had to subsist; the military camps located between the houses and the fields, I understood then that one of the great missions of a low intensity war is to wear out the people through hunger and to create lack of goods. That starvation practice against the people has the same effect as throwing bombs on the population, but is more comfortable for the rulers because it maintains Mexico as a stable place and as a suitable place for financial investments and it doesn't place the Free Trade Agreement at risk.
We were witness of that, we saw how the soldiers burned and razed the fields, threw the children out of schools, and turned the latter into barracks... and each time we became more familiar with the Zapatistas' form of organization, communal work and cooperation. And I realized that the intentions behind the militarization were to break down the community, to keep the people from organizing in an autonomous manner in order to overcome poverty and isolation.[2] |
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Later in 1996, de la Rocha led an educational trip for young students, artists and activists from L.A. to Chiapas.
This may be worth integrating into a larger political views section. CloudNine (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] T in the park 08
Rage Against The Machine are the final band to play on the saturday night of T in the Park in Scotland in 2008.
So stop removing it, if you need proof go to www.tinthepark.com and click on line-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.104.181 (talk) 22:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- Elephants are made of atoms, pi is a two letter word and Violet is a girl's name. Like the above, none of these things tell us anything worth mentioning about the life and times of Zack de la Rocha. скоморохъ 22:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

