Talk:Zen Arcade

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YesY A casual reader should learn something about the album. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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What facts are in dispute, exactly? Why is the article flagged as such? The existing info seems correct. Gyrofrog 18:41, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

OK, looks like someone removed the "In Dispute" flag. Gyrofrog 06:26, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I just made some copyedits in an attempt to clean up this article a bit. Among these was a clarification in the numbering of the band's albums. Metal Circus is an EP, clocking in under 20 minutes, and should not be considered a full-length album. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Uhhh, the idea that ZA is the FIRST record to incorporate the elements claimed in the iteration of this article is hyperbolic. I'm fixing it.--Dirtypants 01:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I just wanna say this album rules.

Does anyone know what "Zen Arcade" means?

Contents

[edit] <^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>

[edit] Music

ok i'll get you references but just listen to them. Land Speed Record is definitevely hardcore. There are no songs on Zen Arcade at all that sound this way. Sure there are some similarities manifesting as violence indicative of hardcore but that is for the most part thrash, not hardcore. Listen to the differences between these violent songs on Zen Arcade and Land Speed Record. I didnt call Articles of Faith (Band) definitively emo. I called Rites Of Spring that. I promise you, Bob Mould producing those two Article Of Faith albums is not just some coincidence. So, whats the connection? Well, I've already explained that.

Where are the references to show that Land Speed Record was a hardcore album, and Zen Arcade was not? It seems like a fairly large assumption to make. Original research is also present in the section. Why are Articles of Faith mentioned twice, and called the definitive emo band? CloudNine 10:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Listen to Pride then listen to Heroin and Mohinder THEN edit my contributions. did any of you know about the octave chords in Pride? no of course you didnt. Any of you know about Bob Mould producing Article Of Faith's emo record that same year? maybe. did you connect the dots? i doubt it. please feel free to do so now.216.16.193.253 10:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but you need a reference for such a statement; has someone else made the connection before? If not, it is original research. I'll add a {{fact}} tag however. CloudNine 10:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EMO

fourfa.com

the link i included was talking about octave chords and their fundamental role in emo.

on the opening page of fourfa's history it talks about husker du's role in general of emo.

even the wikipedia entry on husker du discusses how zen aracde is often cited as the beginning of emo. so you just think these people are delusional or that something i learned today is just as hardcore as land speed record?!

[edit] Song duration

The track listing does not contain durations for any of the songs. I find this especially surprising as it was a collaboration of the week. Tommy Stardust 14:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I was busy that week. Anyway, what I feel should also be done is the tracklisting should be split to reflect the original vinyl release (discs and sides). I can pull out a vinyl copy over the weekend for reference. WesleyDodds 10:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Critical reception

Rolling Stone magazine did not review Zen Arcade until after the following album New Day Rising came out. I know this because I browsed RS reviews weekly at the time. Zen Arcade received considerable attention in other publications outside the punk zine world (such as Village Voice), but the implication that Rolling Stone reviewed Zen Arcade "[u]pon its release" is misleading. The online reprint of this review (in tandem with Double Nickels on the Dime, another album that seems to have confused Rolling Stone) is dated 1985, which chronologically is more like playing catchup. / edg 02:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)