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[edit] Other Zanpakutōs and Pictures

Shouldn't Ichigo's Zanpakutō belisted aswell. Also, it would be nice to have pictures of each form. Unless for somereason it is decided not to put in. -- (NeoDeGenero 14:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Urahara's training method

Tjstrf: actually, Abarai did not acquire ban kai in 3 days. The 3-day training, as it's explained in the manga, is a cheat way to acquire ban kai, which Urahara invented and Ichigo used (I don't remember if it said that Urahara himself used this, but since it was there from the start, it could be right). This method is used by stabbing a doll and then beating your sword into submission. It never actually said you needed to beat it into submission if you trained normally. Since Abarai already had years of training, it's possible that he acquired ban kai naturally. I'm pretty sure he didn't use the doll, so I'll delete that part for now. Feel free to add it back if you're sure you're correct.

Urahara did use his own method, and apparently had others attempt it as well, though none of them succeeded. (chapter 132) Renji was already close to his release, and seems to have just used the cave and Urahara's principle (beatdown the spirit) for his final steps of training. I'll leave it off as ambiguous. --Tjstrf 01:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I believe defeat/submission of the zanpakuto's materialization is common to all Bankai training, whether it's via the normal "years of development until materialization can be willed" versus Urahara's bankai-in-three-days cheating. --AngelusInsomnus 01:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Abarai did not use the doll. He was already close to achieving Bankai, and the looming threat of Rukias execution gave him the motivation to unleash it in the small time he had.

In any case the instant calling of the Zanpakuto's spirit into the user's world via the doll is still the primary thing distinguishing Urahara's method from the standard method. I've updated the article with this information. The 'years of develoment method' was never really explained, so we don't know exactly what it entails. Subjugation of the spirit is assumed, though we can't be sure. --LordHoborgXVII

Additionally, it says that the Ban Kai was 'mastered' in three days. This is incorrect, because Byakuya clearly says that Ichigo hasn't mastered the crushing force the kai had on his body (that's why Ichigo slowed down terminally near the end of the fight). It is just that they attained Ban Kai, not that they mastered it. It's a small fix, but that point of Ichigo not totally mastering it almost lost him the fight. Kishyotai 20:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nue vs. serpent-tailed baboon

Nue isn't really the same as Zabimaru, who is really a serpent-tailed baboon. I'll leave it like this now, but please clarify. -- Ynhockey 23:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I agree, it doesn't seem that Zabimaru is quite a nue. I'll go ahead and clarify it. Aznph8playa2 22:19, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 142. and 24.

If you're reading this, how were you able to acquire chapter 201 before the internet? Do you live in Japan? -- Ynhockey 04:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Didn't acquire it before the internet. I picked it up in a forum a couple hours after the release in Japan.
Must be a forum I don't know. Could you please share the link? -- Ynhockey 03:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I got it from [bleachforums.com] through [livejournal.com/community/soul_society]. usual warnings apply though, like possibilities of inaccurate info.

[edit] Getsuga Tenshō

In the article it states that Ichio's shikai ability was first used in chapter 161. While it's true that thats the first time that Ichigo used it conciously (and knowing the name of the attack) The abilty was used way back in chapter 67 in the training with Urahara and (I think) again during Ichigo's battle with Kenpachi.

I think his using it against Urahara is only true in the anime. Not sure. --Tjstrf 21:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I reviewed chapter 67 of the manga and because of the huge scar on the ground it's apparent that he did use Getsuga Tenshou. Also, since we're talking about it, I saw in the article that Zangetsu's Getsuga Tenshou on Bankai is chain-shaped instead of crescent moon-shaped. I've seen both types of the Getsuga Tenshou and both look entirely the same except for their color. Anyone else have an opinion about this?--Chemicalist 20:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
It's true, it can be crescent-shaped, so I've removed the chain part. As for the source, it does not say 'first shown in ...', it's the reference for the name. Another reference could be added to the attack in action (it should probably be from the same chapter), but that's probably an exercise in redundancy. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verifications

Some information concerning Genrusai's and Ukitake's swords was deleted due to possible innacuracy. I have re-posted it, after verifying its legitimacy. Genrusai's Zanpakuto being his staff in sealed form, and the strongest of all fire-element swords unsealed, is viewable in Episode 55 of the anime. The shape of Ukitake's swords appears in the 3rd intro video, and when he releases shikai in Episode 56/57 of the anime. --LordHoborgXVII

I don't know who deleted your info (might've been me if it was a long time ago), but maybe it was deleted for redundancy and not for inaccuracy. Keep in mind that if you have really in-depth info about a zanpakutō, it's probably best to keep it to the specific character page. Moreover, please stop using \' - as you might've noticed, it actually appears on the page. -- Ynhockey 16:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Just realized that the above paragraph might come down as harsh, please take no offense. -- Ynhockey 16:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate Names of Zangetsu and Benihime from Scanslation

Do these really need to be there? It seems irrelevant. "Kitsuki" and "Kurenaihime" are simply alternate pronunciations for the kanji which are... incorrect, more or less. --AngelusInsomnus 11:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I remember adding them because several editors were seriously confused whether Zangetsu or Kitsuki was correct (I think some wrote that Zangetsu was the nickname for Kitsuki, etc.). Therefore it is mainly to avoid confusion. It doesn't bother me too much that the alternative pronounciations are there. Is there any reason you want them deleted other than informational redundancy? -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 18:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler Tag

Where's the spoiler warning?


[edit] Aternate names

The official translation is Soul cutter but many translators have used Soul Slayer (The name appears once in the article probably someone who didnt read the lead in) I sugest adding this as a section in the middle, im not a watcher of this page so i leave it to someone who has invested time in the page to add if they want to but the section could go somethiong like While the official translation of Zanpakutō is Soul Cutter many popular fan subs and fans prefer to use the term Soul Slayer. We can keep calling it soul cutter but the wide use of Slayer i think deems a mention if only as a short Blurb. --Seth Turner 18:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC) I personaly think Slayer sounds cooler... not that that matters at all.

I think soul slayer was previously mentioned on this page as an alternate translation, but someone removed it. I'll add it back once I find an appropriate location/wording. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unohana's zanpakutô

I realize that the free translation might not have a place in the article, but I thought the literal translation for the last character of her Soul Slayer (唼) was close enough, given the meaning of the hanzi. While we're not professional translators, I am of the opinion that the literal meaning should be listed. ‹кндмцяд› ж «тдгк» 04:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to list it, and even a detailed explanation, but please use the Retsu Unohana article. This article is supposed to have summaries and is probably not the place for long explanation or unclear meanings. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Right! Gotcha. ‹кндмцяд› ж «тдгк» 05:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renji & Hitsugaya's special attacks/abilities from Chapter 210

I'm not sure how to fit this info into the article, but the info probably should be added.

Hikō Taihō - 狒骨大砲 (Baboon Bone Cannon): The attack that Renji uses to finish off the gillian-level arrancar Il Forte Grantz. It is not actually shown, but Renji calls out its name. Given that Renji did not use this attack until he lifted his limit, it probably consumes a considerable amount of his reiatsu.

Ryūsenka - 竜霰架 (Dragon Hail Frame): The attack that Hitsugaya uses to defeat the gillian-level arrancar Shaolong Qu Fong.

- Riggermantis 01:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sōkyoku

Since it is technically Zanpaktou, should Sōkyoku be added to this section?

Sōkyoku may or may not be a zanpakutō. In any case, it does not share many common things with most zanpakutō, so I don't think it should be added. There's info about Sōkyoku in [[Shinigami (Bleach}]]. Also, please sign your name. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 11:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maki Ichinose

I saw that he was a former lieutenant of 11th division. I watched the anime and I didn't find confirmation of this. I'm taking it out. If I'm mistaken kindly inform me. --Chemicalist 22:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zennosuke Kurumadani

I think that it would be best to make a note saying that this has not been shown in the manga or the anime and could be changed at any time the author wishes to show Zennosuke Kurumadani's zanpakuto or something like that. I just am to busy too add it myself Lord Kefka 03:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I am actually rather curious where the guy who added the info found it. I doubt its authenticity. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 09:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Separate spelling?

It seems that the consensus is to write sword names separately (i.e. Ryūjin Jakka, not Ryūjinjakka), but this is not always followed. Examples are Ashisogijizou (Ashisogi Jizō) and Fujikujaku (Fuji Kujaku). If there is indeed such a consensus, sword names should all be written separately. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 00:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kenpachi not listed??

I'm just curious as why isn't Kenpachi not listed in this section? While it is true that his Zanpakutō still lacks its name, but it is also a fact that Kenpachi has achieved the initial release (by both information in the manga/anime as well as the official databook).

I just think it is better to include him in this section.131.204.120.123 22:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

As I said in Talk:Zaraki Kenpachi, please provide the exact place (page?) where you found this information. It is exteremely unlikely because it has been made clear that you need to know the name of the zanpakutō before you can release it, even if you won't be able to seal it back (as in Ichigo's case). -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Moreover, we don't know the abilities, name, or any details at all about Kenpachi's sword, even if it is indeed constantly released. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I just looked at the history of this page and a precedent for not including Kenpachi is Rukia. She was not listed on the zanpakutō list until she revealed her shikai's name. So if you use Rukia as a precedent, Zaraki should not be listed until we know his shikai's name. Furthermore, we currently have no information on his zanpakutō's abilities so should not be included since every single zanpakutō listed on this page has at least one revealed ability. (Damn Ynhockey stole some of my points :) Gdo01 22:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
There is no reason whatsoever to assume one character violates the defined universe rules unless there is a specific reason given. --tjstrf 23:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Specific quote from Bleach episode 38, Lunar translation. "My soul slayer ain't got a name. My sword is butt-ass naked. It ain't got a sealed form to begin with. This is my soul slayer's true form." - Kenpachi
That implies that his sheer power was enough to force it into Shikai right from the get-go. If that's the case, one can't help but wonder if Ichigo's sword was about to do the same thing in Bleach episode 14, before Ishida interfered. --Kuhan 20:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
While that is possible (Ichigo achieving shikai by accident), it's still speculation.
Also, you'll notice that if one takes Kenpachi's words at face value, he already has bankai without knowing the name. ("True form") --tjstrf 20:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Not necessarily. Bankai doesn't seem to be the "true" form of the sword, but rather the ultimate fusion of shinigami and weapon.
Additional speculation regarding Ichigo acheiving shikai on accident. I noticed after watching the episode again that it never shows Urahara's reaction to the supposed danger that Ichigo was in by releasing so much power, and Urahara never moves to help Ichigo either. Given Urahara's manipulative (though still debateably benevolent) nature demonstrated later in the series, it is possible that he set that scenario up so that Ichigo could acheive shikai, and have somewhat of a fighting chance against any soul society forces who came to retreive Rukia.--Kuhan 21:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Kuhan, a Zanpakutou's "true form" is their shi kai. Ban Kai is when you force energy into that 'true form' to create something larger. I'll get manga-based verification when I can.Kishyotai 20:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain Zangetsu's spirit mentions that Kenpachi's blade suffers such anguish that while it, like Zangetsu, is always in Shikai, it has no powers and infact weakens Zaraki slightly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.42.22 (talk) 17:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically, he hasn't "achieved" crap. Although his IS of the constant-release type, it doesn't do jack other than look friggin sweet and possibly create a skull above his right shoulder, and we don't even know that the latter is related to the sword itself at all. 70.138.167.143 (talk) 01:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] change of appearance

There's a paragraph about bankai users whose appearance changes that got edited by an anon a while ago that I wasn't sure about. The section as a whole seems to have quite a bit of speculation. They changed it so that Ikkaku is removed from the list and the rest of the paragraph reads "three" instead of "four" when referring to all of them. Perhaps I'm not interpreting it right, but I don't see why he was removed. Anyone know? --Anaraug 20:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really sure either. Perhaps it is because Ikkaku's change is not as dramatic (he only loses his shirt if I recall correctly).--Kuhan 21:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe i am wrong but ikkaku's shirt was already ripped off rom fighting with the arrancarEvxyza92 06:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zanpakutō or Zanpaku-tô?

I have seen it shown as both in various sources. Which is correct? ~ Porphyric Hemophiliac § 02:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

We're using Zanpakutō. See Hepburn romanization system, I believe. --tjstrf 03:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, this is correct according to the revised Hepburn system. Also, zanpakutō is definitely not two words, you can't separate a known word (tō -> sword) from an invented one (zanpaku) in Japanese just by that virtue. This is the whole idea behind combining Chinese readings of kanji to form one word. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shikai & bankai

Have the english terms in the manga of shikai and bankai been revealed yet?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tensa Zangetsu (talkcontribs) .

Initial release, final/full release, iirc. --tjstrf 23:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I thought Viz kept the original terms. In any manner, I doubt they will change it for the anime since it is very hard to lip sync initial release (5 syllables) with shikai (2 syllables). Gdo01 23:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
They could always use use a quick off-screen pan for initial, and then sync re-lease with shi-kai. No one ever actually says shikai when releasing anyway, so they'd only have to fudge the shots a couple times. I can see them keeping Ban Kai though. --tjstrf 23:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
The anime sometimes plays fast and loose with syllables, so it could end up being "Initial Release" and "Final Release", especially considering that, if someone spoke those words, their mouth would only open-close twice, much like "Shi-kai" and "Ban-kai", respectively.--Kuhan 03:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asauchi?

Should there be some mention of the idea of "asauchi" here? To my recollection it's only mentioned once, by Zangetsu in chapter 110- "'asauchi', a nameless zanpakutou carried by lower grade shinigami who do not enter the 13 Court Divisions" (「浅打」護廷十三隊に入らぬ下級死神の持つ名も無き斬魄刀だ) However, it's still a piece of zanpakutou-related information and perhaps worth a brief mention... --ACDragonMaster 09:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not mentioned? Odd, it used to be in there. --tjstrf Now on editor review! 09:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
No, it's not. I did a quick search of the page and then read through it, didn't see anything. --ACDragonMaster 09:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)]
Technically an "asauchi" is merely an unreleased Zanpakuto. Just like when Ichigo first got Zangestu all it implies is that the user isn't experienced enough to use Shikai (or learn the Zanpakuto's name). I don't think it is that important, all you need to say is that a Shinigami has to achieve each form through some form of training.--Adroa

[edit] Translation of "zanpakutou"

The article states that the translation of "zanpakutou" is literally "soul cutting sword". However, the kanji used for "zan" generally means very specifically "to kill" (albiet often implied killing with a sword, which would involve cutting). I think that there is a confusion because of the other reading of the kanji, "kiru", is a homophone for the word that DOES mean "to cut" (切る), and therefore some potential confusion, however, it's very clear which kanji is used in the word in the Japanese version. So, is there any reason not to change the translation given in the article to "soul slaying sword" or "soul killing sword"? --ACDragonMaster 20:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Kubo himself translates zanpakutou as "soul cutting sword" or "cutting-soul sword". This is also why in the official English dub shinigami are referred to as "soul reapers" and not "death gods", because "soul reaper" is the official translation given by Kubo. Kyouraku-taichou 00:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Just for future reference, cap'n, this post was from November 2006 and doesn't really apply anymore.—Loveはドコ? (talkcontribs) 04:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] characters w/ zanpakutou

err...where did all the stuff about the characters and their zanpakutou go? O_o --Chemicalist 17:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[1]. I'm not sure if I agree with that or not, mainly because we had been using this page to store longer descriptions of the zanpakuto for characters unworthy of their own articles. The solution may be a List of Zanpakutō. --tjstrf talk 17:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of zanpakutō list

While I don't think we should repeat information already present in other articles, there was a lot of unique information in that list, especiaily regarding characters that do not have their own pages. I think the list should be restored, although maybe the format should be changed. Also the references should all be in the standard reference format. Any suggestions? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit: Haven't noticed the comment right above, and List of zanpakutō is indeed a good solution, but I'm not sure we should farther split articles. Let's hear more suggestions. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why what little information is unique on that list can't be merged into a character's description on any page, regardless if it's a listing or a single character article. I restored it regardless, as I may have missed something when looking over what I already merged. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm,what I think is that perhaps more information is added to the current list here,and perhaps pictures like the other one did.Though half the information was copied,the list had certain information not present in the current article. -Hanaichi 12:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Shikai question

If you are reading the discussion page you have no doubt seen several shikai in the bleach universe and noticed that many maybe even most of them have a black and silver blade. Do yo think that is notable enough to be mention in the article? All of these shinigami have shikai with partialy black blades. Urahara, Ichigo, Renji, Ikkaku, Yumichika, Shunsui, Komamura, Kira, Omeada, Soifon(Black and Gold) and many many more Bushido Brown 04:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It's only an artistic thing. It's not notable unless it's unusual, Ichigo's blade being one example. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese or English first?

In all articles about characters who have zanpakutō and command, the command is written either as Japanese ([kanji], translation) or "English" ([kanji] Japanese). I think we should have a uniform format. Which format is best? The first is good because most commands have multiple possible translations, so it places the undisputable fact first, while the second is better because it's English and we're writing in English. I am ambivalent on the issue. Please share your thoughts. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

As always for series which are in progress and therefore only partially translated, I support primary use of the Japanese terms because it is the only consistent method which doesn't require (as much) Original Research on our part to determine the most likely intended meaning. --tjstrf talk 15:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final Release

Why are we calling it Final Release? The official English term is Bankai, as seen in the US manga. I understand we should note what it's translated to, but mainly calling it Final Release? I don't see why. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 20:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I think editors may be waiting until the terms Shikai and Bankai are officially said in the anime since the anime ignores most of the Viz stuff. Frankly, the way the anime has been sticking to Japanese terms, its almost assured they will use shikai and bankai. It's only a matter of time. Gdo01 20:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
It would make sense to use the term Bankai (since it's from the official manga) until the anime shows us what they are going to use, instead of what they are doing now. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 21:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
We'll need to wait a long time. Wasn't shikai and bankai used for the first time in episode 41 or something? I support continuing to use initial and final release. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Why support Final Release though? The official manga says it is Bankai. And the anime is still unknown. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 01:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Suppose I'm a reader who hasn't seen Bleach or hasn't seen it up to episode 41 of the anime. What's a bankai? It's not linked anywhere to the term's meaning. Final release is much more self-explanatory. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 04:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there something wrong with linking Bankai to this section? --Zeno McDohl (talk) 05:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
No, that would be right. Just that no one has done it yet. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Can't we explain the meaning on the article???????????? --200.181.138.245 03:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The anime just called it Bankai in the dub of episode 42 (I think, it's whenever Bankai's introduced). Should we switch it? Cotton -reply here please- 06:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Yup it was said in Episode 42, when Yoruichi explains Ichigo about Bankai. She explains that the initial release of a zanpakuto is called "Shikai" and the final release is called "Bankai".--Hanaichi 11:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Since both the manga and the anime dub uses shikai and bankai, I went ahead and changed them to shikai and bankai. In places where shikai and bankai sounded weird in the sentence after the change, I appended the word "form" to it, for example, shikai form and bankai form. Of course, I did this to not have it sound weird, and everyone has the liberty to change it to something else that might be more fitting. Also, I left the "final form" in one of the sentences under the Shikai section, specifically in "This step may be bypassed by expert shinigami, usually those who are at least approaching discovery of their final release." My reason being that bankai isn't introduced yet, and the use of it in that sentence sounds more descriptive than using it as the name. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 16:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hiding references

I think we should have an option for hiding the many references (yes, I am sure they are helpful and will continue adding more unless a good reason is provided not to). Not sure about the wikicode to implelemtn that. Can someone please look it up? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 10:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hiding only works with certain classes. It wouldn't work well with a reflist. Not supposed to hide them anyway. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 17:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Never seen it done, even on pages with 100+ references, so it's probably not supposed to happen. --tjstrf talk 18:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name of Bankai Training Doll

What's its official name? Nights1stStar 00:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Ehh, I think it was tenshintai. Yoruichi mentions it in Volume 15, when Ichigo started his bankai training.--Hanaichi 10:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In-Universe

Due to the fact that this article talks about a work of fiction in primarily in-universe language, I'm adding the {{In-Universe}} template. bwowen talk.contribs 18:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone needs to create a section about replicas sold around the world, especially of Zangetsu. Other than that there's nothing out-of-universe that can be added to this article. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source tag

So, it looks like this article was tagged because the sources for this article are entirely from the manga? Is there any possible third party source for this information? If not, I think the tag should be removed. Kerowyn Leave a note 04:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

It would be a good idea for someone who has more knowledge of Bleach and a firmer handle on its impact and whatnot to have a gander at Wikipedia's guidelines for writing about fiction to help cleanup this article. If there aren't third-party sources about its impact on Shonen anime, its place in Japanese society, its relation to possible Japanese history, the question needs to be asked (hopefully without emotional biases related to how much one likes it) - does this information really belong on Wikipedia? See Talk:List of ThunderClan Cats for a similar discussion. Thanks, bwowen talkcontribsreview me please! 02:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ichigo's bankai

Saigyoku Nijigasumi is listed as an ability of Ichinose's zanpakutō, but isn't it his bankai? I intend to rewatch the episode in which it appears for clarification, but I thought it was his bankai. Lora aura 00:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

He never explicitly says "bankai." Ergo, we don't consider it to be his bankai. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Please post new topics at the bottom. Not in a random place in an unrelated section in the middle of the page.—Loveはドコ? (talkcontribs) 04:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I think this one mimics Hanataro's in that it takes a new "form" and corresponding extension of name without actually going into Bankai. Tosen's sort of does this too.--StardustDragon 02:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of section Zanpakutō by character

The section is an attack/ability list which is not supported by wikipedia policey. All of the information in this section is properly merged into the respective character's article or section so this information does not need to be in the article. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 00:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not aware of such a policy. Can you please provide a link? Also, please reply to the request I posted on your talk page. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 00:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Fancruft, WP:UNENC ect. It is not like the information will be lost if this section is deleted, as the information is already on other articles, so this section doesn't need to be here. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 01:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Simply naming things will not make your point valid. You have to explain why it is what it is. The information exists, albeit in a somewhat ungainly fashion, to quickly detail the varied forms of zanpakutō. As part of a larger topic, I do not see the trouble. By itself, it would certainly not warrant an article, but it is supported by the body. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
A list having the same info as in other articles does not warrant a deletion. That's actually one thing that lists are used for - to quickly summarize what's found in a multitude of other articles, or parts thereof. WP:UNENC does not in any way imply that there cannot be a list of attacks. WP:FAN is not really relevant to this, not to mention that it's neither a policy nor guideline. A list of attacks in a series should not be against the rules as long as it sticks to what they actually do and not user speculations (WP:NOR). -- Ynhockey (Talk) 09:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
It would seem so. The list really isn't that bad in retrospect, at least compared to other articles. Sorry to bother you all. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nel

I added a picture of her resurrection form. Xelnanga 01:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Fisher

It says that the Grand Fisher's Resurrection form is vastly different than his Hollow form, but I think this is incorrect. Grand Fisher never showed his "resurrection" form, rather he was turned into an Arrancar by some means, and then pursued Ichigo. He fought with his sword, which in resurrection form, vanishes. There fore he completed the transformation to the Arrancar level only, but never actually released his Hollow powers back. This may be just be unusual circumstances why he is that big in a sealed form, or it could have been a plot mess-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.173.22 (talk) 07:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree. Grand Fisher never actually releases his zanpakutō. Upon review, I see that the change in form comes with the breaking of his mask. Even after growing horns, and whatnot, his zanpakutō remains. This doesn't seem to be his Resurrección. Here's the anime scene in question, for reference. [2]
-- Son Goharotto (talk) 21:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kensei's Zanpakutou

In Chapter -104, the zanpakutou and shikai command of Kensei of the current vizards is revealed. Should he be listed under Soul Reapers, or should a new section for him be created called "vizards?" Lore aura (talk) 08:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== For the time being, I say just put it under Soul Reapers and mention him as a former Captain. King Zeal (talk) 11:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Kensei's entry has been added under Soul Reapers. When (and if) the other vizards' zanpakutou are revealed, perhaps another section be created. Lore aura (talk) 23:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sword Origins

Just wondering, how does one get a zanpakutou? After a certain amount of training does it appear since it's part of ones soul? Or must it be forged? If so, by who? Because it's part of your soul, can it get stolen or permanently destroyed? If one looses it can they always know where it is or recall it to them?

Sorry, a lot of questions here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.117.190 (talk) 06:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

For the first several question this part has as of yet to be clarified. As for the destrution part it has been stated that a Zanpakuto can be damaged (such as when Byakuya cut of Zangetsu's blade, or when Zangetsu was fractured by Aizen) but will regenerate with time. Also, apparently certain changes in form can regenerate a Zanpakuto, and Rukia's Shikai has the ability to regenerate itself at will. There has been no evidene to support that one can intrensically sense their Zanpakuto for any reason. As for utter destruction, I vaguely remember saying that so long as the hilt remains intacked the blade can be regenerated (kind of like Piccolo's head) but I can't confirm this. I would imagine that a Zanpakuto can, however be stolen as Shinigami have been separated from their Zanpakuto in battle before. One last note, if you always know where it is, you can't lose it now can you?--Adroa

I think I see Ichigo try to recall Zangetsu while he's fighting in his own head against the hollow, but it doesn't work. That's the only time it was attempted, and it might not be possible at all. Meanwhile, as for regeneration, Mayuri states that repairing a zanpakuto is simple, as long as the hilt and (I think) the guard are intact. This is after he breaks it inside of Syzael's body as punishment for attacking him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.43.190 (talk) 07:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ichigo Rukia Zanpakuto

If you look at the first episode you notice when Ichigo gets his powers from Rukia his new Zanpakuto is very similar to hers. Other than the the tassel his is identical to hers, albeit on a larger scale (for the blade). Most notably they have identical tsuba, which has never happened since in the series. Later, when Rukia gets her new Zanpakuto it has a differentt tsuba (that is a littlem ore fitting to her Zanpakuto). I think this is worth mentioning.There is also the event in the questionably canon Bount arc where Rukia picks up an old Zanpakuto in Rukongai to fight. These events suggest that a Zanpakuto is like a "blank CD" which channels the power of the Soul reaper making them unique, and isn't a product of their powers. This last part is speculation of course, but the fact remains that they are the only two Shinigami in the entire series to have completely identical tsuba. There is also an event in the Bount Arch where Rukia is forced to regain her Shinigami powers, resulting in another Zanpakuto. This one though has a "blank" tsuba, it's just a rectangle. Putting all this together simply suggest they screwed up. I still think it is worth noting that Ichigo and Rukia's first Zanpakuto share the same tsuba design. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adroa (talkcontribs) 15:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)