Talk:Zero Point Module
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Can anybody explain why McKay pronounces it Zed-PM? PrometheusX303 23:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Zed is Zee in Canada, McKay is from Canada. 68.32.218.61 07:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. I didn't know that. PrometheusX303 13:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Why can't the asgard or somebody figure out how to reverse engineer the ZPM and just build more? Or what about the power modulator thing O'Neill built to go to the asgard homeworld? At least, wouldn't the database at atlantis have info on how to build one?
[edit] Sanctuary
I'm fairly sure there was no ZPM on the planet in this episode it turned out to be an ancient.
the zpm listed on the page was powering the sanctuary (a time dilation field) and was mentioned in the episode "Epiphany". you're talking about the episode "Sanctuary", that indeed did not feature a zpm. Maartentje 19:38, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Why can more ZPMs be made
How did the ancient build their ZPMs. Isn't the knowledge in the ancient database.
This hasn't been addressed in any episode. It's the same reason they don't use to holo room to get all the ansers because it would reduce plog possibilities.
While there might be, and probably is information on how to build a ZPM in the database, it is TV. While it would be great, you can't have it so that every ship, and Atlantis has as many ZPMs as they want. TV just doesn't work that way.
it might also depend on what resources (energy, materials, complex tools..etc) and knowledge are needed to build one, its also unlikely that they understand every thing in the database yet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.200.212 (talk) 20:55, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
Since a city ship like Atlantis can survive in 'slumber mode' under the ocean for 10 000 years, (and probably in full use for centuries or more) on 3 ZPMs, there would not be any need to keep a factory at hand. The fact that there are so few around in Pegasus (and the milky way) indicates that creating ZPMs is rather complicated; otherwise almost all large machinery (like Jumpers) would be zero point powered. Only for devices that use extreme amounts of energy and those that use 'just' very much by earthly standards but need a reliable power source for thousands to millions of years, did the ancients go to the trouble of making zpms for. my guess is that their production either takes a long time(unlikely as they possessed time dilation tech), or is so complicated that they were made only as needed. DHDs probably also contain a kind of ZPM; the only one that is known to have run out of power is the one found with the antarctic gate.Edgjerp (talk) 20:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- It's probably something like that - they may address the lack of a ZPM factory at some point, until then, we can only guess. DHD's clearly don't contain an actual ZPM, otherwise a ZPM wouldn't be required to dial intergalactic addresses - they contain some kind of advanced power source. Lot's of tech has been shown to last a long time - staff weapons (which have "liquid naquadah cell" if memory serves), for example. --Tango (talk) 20:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] inconsistancy?
thumb|300px|left Something about this picture seems kinda inconsistent with what is shown in Stargate Atlantis. Specifically, when McKay unplugs ZPMs from Atlantis, they turn dark. The ZPM in this picture, however, is lit up, despite not being plugged in... TerraFrost 01:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- You may be corrct. But are the Atlantis ZPMs you mention the original? If so, they are dead, or nearly so, and so wouldn't give off light. PrometheusX303 13:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
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- That may be the fact, since the ZPM in this picture is half charged, but the one that Jack found to power the Antarctic Outpost was nearly depleted as well and therefor did not glow. From this it may be the case that charged ZPM's glow, wher as nearly dead ZPM's only glow when plugged in. However, McKay did also state, in the Pilot for Atlantis, that the ZPM would light up WHEN plugged in, but as I said, it may have only been because of the amount of power left in the device. I'll stop rambling now. Grizzwald 05:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] zed vs zee revisited
"This is because of the difference in english pronunciation between European and American nations."
I edited this entry as it is conflicting. Last time I checked, Canada was an American nation. The current info will reflect more that Z is pronounced zee only in the United States and by my stubborn girlfriend. cplbeaudoin 03:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps it might be better to just link to Z? TerraFrost 18:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Zelenka does not say Zed PM!
I removed the bit about Dr. Zelenka saying Zed because he does pronounce it Zee-PM. Watch "The Intruder" at the very end he calls it a ZPM, the American way.
Thanks, Faris,
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[edit] which picture?
I'm currious... which of the following ZPM pictures do you prefer?:
I, personally, prefer the former, but since that one is kinda mine, I'm currious what ya'll think TerraFrost 16:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
--Faris b 04:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)== Known ZPMs ==
Although I like the new table format, I don't think there's any reason to assume that the Proclarush Taonas ZPM was the one that was given to Ba'al when it could have very well been the old ZPM that powered the Ancient outpost in Antarctica. Unless there was something in one of those two episodes that I'm not recalling?
Also, I've updated the stuff in the Found column to point to the List of Planets article, again. By linking to that article, you're liable to get information about the planet and (if it exists) the civilization on that planet (since each planets entry in the List of Planets article links to the civilization) whereas you would only get information on the civilization if that were what was being linked to.
Finally, if the location of depleted ZPM that wasn't given to Ba'al is unknown, technically, so to are the locations of the original Atlantis ZPMs (who's to say that they haven't been taken back to Earth for study?) and the ZPM that Camulus was supposed to use to kill Ba'al with (who's to say that Ba'al kept it at that planet after finding Camulus with it?) TerraFrost 16:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Regarding the latest edit... the ZPM protected by the Brotherhood was not stolen by the Geneii. Major Shepard and company managed to recapture it from the Geneii taskforce only to have it taken from them by the Brotherhood, who rehid it. Rewatch The Brotherhood. TerraFrost 17:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Rodney and his team had that ZPM, so the Brotherhood stole it from them by force of numbers. --Andromeda 11:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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- That ZPM was the Brotherhoods, by right. It was their's ten generations ago and it was on their planet. By what right can Rodney claim it as his own? The fact that his team found it? If so, then I suppose that this "stolen" sidekick was in fact not stolen, because the original owner lost it?
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- And if Rodney doesn't have any legit claim to that ZPM and the Brotherhood does, how can the Brotherhood be stealing it?
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- Also, why did you revert the changes I had made to the Found column? I justified my actions - can you justify yours? TerraFrost 17:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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- There's more info in the civilizations page than in the list of planets page. --Andromeda 20:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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I guess I'll give my opinion here. It's all on the point of view, most people's is that since the ZPM was hidden there FOR the Ancients or whatever, it was meant to power Atlantis to help them get back into buisness since I'm sure you need power to make more ZPM's so thusly they are stealing it from it's RIGHTFUL owners, so it was never theirs, its like if someone loaned you a screwdriver, does it mean it's theirs to keep? Same with the ZPM, it was meant for the inhabitants (Ancients or otherwise) to use in Atlantis. So I think the current note should stay about it being stolen by the brotherhood.
--Faris b 19:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree, heh. A more accurate analogy would be... you loan someone a screw driver and then give the toolset that it came from to someone else. Does the new owner of the toolset have a legit claim to the screw driver? I wouldn't say so. Is the current possessor of the screw driver a thief if he doesn't give the screw driver to the new owner? Again, I wouldn't say so.
- Now, this may not be what the ancients had intended, but it is, never-the-less, what the Brotherhood believes they had intended. So in their minds, they're not stealing it.
- Also, like you said, saying it was stolen is POV. It'd be less POV, imho, to say that it was protected. If something is valuable enough to steal, it's valuable enough to protect. And if it wasn't stolen, then they're still protecting it. So no matter whether or not you think that ZPM was stolen, it'd be hard to deny that it wasn't being protected. TerraFrost 21:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
That's a good point. That would best to change it to NPOV. "protected" doesn't sound right to me, how about another word like "kept from them by the brotherhood" or something like that? Anyway, if McKay didn't open his big mouth and say that they came to Atlantis a few months ago from somewhere else, it would have been theirs. They (people of Dagan) thought that the Atlantis team lived in Atlantis their whole lives but he had to say they didn't.
--Faris b 04:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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- What about "Sought by many, the Brotherhood denies it to all, save for the Ancients, who they believe will return at some point."? TerraFrost 17:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
That's pretty good. Go for it.
Also, remember in "Coup D' Etat" Ladon said that the ZPM was depleted for a 1000 years. Does that mean that there are other cultures in Pegasus that use ZPM's or was it just a mistake because they don't know the Ancients have been gone longer? The Genii can't seem to use ZPM's.
--Faris b 19:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- That's probably just wild speculation on their part. Ladon says an operative of theirs found it a hundred years ago. Unless the person who got it for them got a little bit of the ZPMs history, as well, it's not as if they have a lot of stuff to back their claim up with.
- Also, the people in The Tower may well have known about ZPMs and how to use them. The fact that the people in the village don't know about it doesn't necessarily mean that those in the Tower don't (although it does seem like a fair assumption that they don't)... TerraFrost 02:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, that's what I thought.
Yeah, but I doubt the people of the tower knew how to use anything except the control chair and the drones and that hologram thing to spy on people. Sheppard even says the only systems running in the control room were systems on auto. They probably don't even know how to activate the shield. Plus, if they had only one (barely) functioning ZPM those were probably the original ones from when the Ancients were there like in Atlantis.
And another issue is why didn't the Atlantis team know about that hologram tech to spy on people? And how is that possible? Are there Ancient sensors everywhere or is that just an extension of the biometric sensors and such? One more thing, did they say that they actually flew the jumpers for a while but they ran out of power or did they try to fly them? I could never get that part.
--Faris b 04:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Asuras
Why does Asuras link to Atlantis? I know they are very similar, but Asuras has it's own history.
Might we also assume that there were more than 3 ZPMs at Asuras? It took 3 to run the ship, but a great portion of the city was left behind. Niam also said that they had more than enough ZPMs to run the city. PrometheusX303 15:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- Because, several months back when spoilers for this ep emerged, I added a bit on Asuras on the Atlantis page, unless you think Asuras warrants it's own page, that is the proper page for it to link to. No, just 3 in Asuras itself, in the other larger buildings, yes, probably more ZPM's but most likely in the main body only 3.
Faris b 19:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I guess that depends on the history of Asuras. At first I took it that the nanites built it and the surrounding city. Did they just take over after the Ancients ascended?
I was also thinking that the name refered to the entire city, including the expansion, not just the city-ship.
If there is more detailed history for Asuras (and "Lemuria", for that matter) a seperate article may be needed. If more city-ships are discovered (I have no advance knowledge of upcoming episodes, so there may be none) a new article may include them all. If not, perhaps subheadings on the Atlantis page?
One final point on the entry on the Atlantis page: Should we remove the spoiler tag, since the episode has aired? PrometheusX303 21:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- I guess that depends on the history of Asuras. At first I took it that the nanites built it and the surrounding city. Did they just take over after the Ancients ascended?
Ok but since the Asurans will be appearing again, it may be prudent in the future to make a separate article for Asuras when the time comes in about a month or so. No, spoiler tags stay on til the episode airs in syndication about a year from now as not everyone gets Sci Fi. I'd say that there are more city-ships out there, for one, they have yet to find Praclarush Taonas, it was an ancient city as well that left, possibly for Pegasus as well, either that was it in "The Tower" or it was Lemuria, but we may never know, I'd say there are more of them out there, the Asurans are most likely building themselves a new one already.
Faris b 22:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
The others left on the Asuran homeworld should be noted...And I took care of that. I'm not sure whether or not to call the entire thing Asuras, or just the city, so I simply called it the Asuran homeworld.208.228.100.69 00:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Atlantis DID get 3 ZPM's!
The proof lies in the episode "Echoes" which aired last night in Canada on Movie central, it seems they did get 3 ZPM's total, 2 from the Asurans and 1 from the Ancients onboard the Tria. They sent the other 2 to Earth, one for Antartica to properly power the outpost and 1 for the Odyssey to help fight the Ori.
Faris b 08:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- You mean "Echoes". However, there is a problem here which the episodes are vague about. We know that 3 ZPMs were in the city as of the end of "The Return", but we don't know whether all three came from the Asurans or whether they brought only two along to plug up the other two spots. Nothing in the dialogue settles it definitively one way or another, although Occam's Razor favors the latter scenario. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- In Return 1, Sheppard specifically says the Ancients installed a ZPM to power the city, so they could return to Earth through the stargate while Daedalus takes the heavy equipment. There is NO speculation, NO possiblity of denial, the Tria had at least 1 ZPM. - 59.167.44.109 12:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. It is speculation, for all we know the Ancients could of magically synthesized one. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- In Return 1, Sheppard specifically says the Ancients installed a ZPM to power the city, so they could return to Earth through the stargate while Daedalus takes the heavy equipment. There is NO speculation, NO possiblity of denial, the Tria had at least 1 ZPM. - 59.167.44.109 12:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. Phantoms, Echoes, simmilar titles and all.
Anyway, no, the Tria DID have a ZPM because in the dialog betweeen Caldwell and McKay said that an Ancient ship doesn't have the power to travel for any length of time numbered in the years (10000 or 12 whichever). Plus, the Tria was a WARSHIP meaning it was full of SOLDIERS, I doubt every Ancient knows how to make everything, they had scientists, military personel and such so I doubt they magically made one once in Atlantis.
Faris b 01:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Are there three ZPMs?? The Tria have a ZPM. And the Asurans brought 3 ZPM to fly the city (It is necessary 3 ZPM to works the stardrive). They didn't know Atlantis had a ZPM. There are 4 ZPMs: 1 in Tria, 3 ZPM of Asurans (1 in Atlantis, 1 in Antarctica, 1 in Odyssey) Alberto14 19:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
There are 3 not 4. Either the Asurans used their ships weapons to deplete ZPM from the Tria or they just brought 2 more to power the stardrive.
Faris b 21:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Unless it's explicitly stated that the Tria ZPM was depleted, we have to assume that the Asurans only brought two ZPMs with them. - Count23 01:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- For the purposes of this article, we don't assume anything. CovenantD 01:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Then you do not assume that the Tria ZPM was depleted. It was installed prior to the Asuran invasion. - Count23 06:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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- The trouble is, the table makes it look like there are currently four ZPM's available, one from Tria and three from Asuras. But Rodney's talking to Weir at the beginning of 'Echoes' indicated there are three, and that Atlantis would only be left with one once two had been sent to Earth. The last row in the table suggests that Atlantis still has a decently-charged ZPM available once the Tria one is depleted, but Rodney's panic at the 24-hours of remaining power at the end of 'First Strike' makes it obvious that this is not the case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.84.96.183 (talk) 20:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Couldn't the Asurans simply have magically synthesized two ZPMs when they took over Atlantis. It was stated in "Progeny" that they had the ability to do so.Synx111 01:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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Dudes: the Asurans didn't know that Atlantis has lost its ZPM. Last they knew from probing the minds of the expedition members Atlantis had a pretty full ZPM. They would not have expected Rodney to nuke it so quickly so they'd only bring two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.10.43 (talk) 22:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why are 3 ZPM's needed for a launch instead of 2?
We know from seeing "Critical Mass" that a single ZPM can power the intertial dampeners and the cloaking/shield generator so why do they need 2 instead of 3? 1 for the dampeners and shield and 1 for the stardrive. Or is the power drain too much if 1 ZPM is powering more than 1 major system? Or does the 3rd ZPM power the artificial gravity, lights and computers or what?
Faris b 19:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
One of the ZPMs currently on Atlantis is one that the TRIA brought with them when the Ancients reclaimed the city, stop changing it back! - Count23 00:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Well we know that 1 ZPM can power the shields lights and computers. For the rest we just have to assume that the additional power requirements of the artificial gravity and stardrive require a ZPM each. Think about it...creating gravity for an entire city is much more than a small ship, so the power requirement there must be vast. Same thing for the Stardrive...flying a city is a huge deal and huge power requirement.Atomicshift 01:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
The power requirements for inertial dampeners would be quite small when the city is stationary on a planetary surface. Once the dampening field is strained (i.e. the city is accelerating) the power usage would increase a lot. Just like the earth does not lose energy to keep an object on its surface, the inertial dampeners would not drain much energy as long as "down" in the city is the same direction and magnitude as down on the planet. --Edgjerp (talk) 20:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proclarush Taonas
Hey, just thought I'd point out a mistake... "Proclarush Taonas" is NOT the name of the planet. I can't remember quite how it works off the top of my head, but the planet is either "Proclarush" or "Taonas". One is the name of the planet, the other is the name of the Ancient outpost there. Kind of like me saying "Yo, I'm from Springfield, Missouri." The name of the place is Springfield, and it's in Missouri. It's not "Springfield Missouri".
I actually think that the name of the world is "Proclarush", based on how O'Neill referred to the Ancient outpost as "Terra Atlantis". Terra=planet, Atlantis=referred outpost. Just saying!
- Actually I think the full name is Proclarush Teonas because of what is discussed in that episode. It was not fully explained, but each symbol has a way of speaking it. The sound sh represents a symbol for example. Right after that Daniel Jackson says something about how it is six syllables Pro-cla-rush-Te-o-nas and (i think) each syllable is one symbol. However, this contradicts the fact that sh represents a symbol even though it is a part of the rush in Proclarush Afterwards when talking with Dr. Weir Jackson says that the planet's address is Proclarush Teonas At. This conversation states that it is the name, ignoring the slight contradiction. --Kyle(K1000)(talk) 06:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Destructive Power
In the article, the first section discusses the inconsistent quotes of the destruction power of an overloaded or misused ZPM. I just wanted to point out, that the different estimates can be explained rather logically according to the shows' established canon. If we go with the quote that one ZPM can take out a planet only (from SGA "Critical Mass") then we can explain the other two quotes rather easily. The one that the SGC received from Camulus could have been tainted with a material that would have amplified its destructive power upon overload (Naqahdah, the traditional explosion-booster, perhaps?). In terms of the Asuran city ship, I felt from the first time that I watched the episode "Progeny" that it was inferred that McKay was overloading all the systems on the ship instead of the ZPM themselves, since he would know very well that one ZPM would do the job but may take out Lantia and Atlantis in the process. To overload all the systems, I could believe all 3 ZPMs would be needed.
So using canon it is easy to explain the inconsistencies. -KnightCrusader 13:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notability
I removed the notability tag as I don't see why this article isn't notable. And there is WAY too much information here to be merged/redirected/deleted.
I also added the Scifipedia link as well. What else needs to be added to be "notable" if that isn't enough?
Vala M (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- According to WP:Notability (fiction), "fictional concepts can be presumed notable if they have received significant real-world coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and "For articles on fiction, reliable sources may cover information such as sales figures, critical and popular reception, development, cultural impact, and merchandise." This is not the case for this article, and that's why this article was tagged (and it probably can never establish notability. Having said that, this concept is similar to Horcrux and Patronus Charm, both of which survived AfD. I have no clear idea what to do with articles like these, as they neither demonstrate notability, nor are they entirely unencyclopedic. (I will therefore also not restore the notability tag.) I'll raise this general issue at WP:FICT, maybe they'll shed some insight. – sgeureka t•c 14:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- See some replies at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Other_non-notable_article(?)-lists(?). – sgeureka t•c 18:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Vala M, the notability tag is still there. :-) – sgeureka t•c 14:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] ZPM count for The Return, Pt. 2
They only got TWO ZPM's from Asuras, the other one was the original one from the Ancients onboard the Tria. And from the video sent to the SGC in "The Return, Pt. 1", Atlantis was taken while there still was power and the Asurans didn't beat down the shield until the ZPM was depleted. Then, the Asurans brought in 2 to supplement the one from the Tria as stated above. They didn't just throw away or waist the one from the Tria just to bring in a 3rd one. This was discussed many times when the episode originally aired in Canada and this concensus was reached.
Vala M (talk) 12:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Then explain why Weir says "we can't keep all 3 of the ZPM's from the replicator takeover"? If only 2 were from the takeover and one was from the Ancients, then that would make her statement inaccurate. Unless there is something actually stated in the show or by someone connected with the show that makes it clear that she was mistaken, we have to assume she was right and the speculation by a bunch of fans is wrong. I have a source to back up my point of view, do you have one to back up yours? --Tango (talk) 15:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Jack's ZPM?
That thing that Jack O'Neill made to power the stargate in The Fifth Race, was that a ZPM of some sort? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.5.181 (talk) 08:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- It was an advanced power source of Ancient design, which suggests it may well have been related to a ZPM, but I don't think that's ever been stated on the show, so it would be speculation and we don't include speculation in Wikipedia articles. --Tango (talk) 12:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Considering that it used liquid naquada, and required recalibration after use, it is more likely that it was some sort of reactor, one that can output enough energy for an intergalactic wormhole, and the energy "taste" that the gate recognizes as similar to a ZPM. --Edgjerp (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Energy carrier
I have no problem accepting energy sources many orders of magnitude stronger than anything we can produce on earth, even small portable ones that can be carried in one hand. but what kind of energy carrier does ZPMs and for that matter naquadah generators utilize? it clearly cannot be regular electrons, unless all cables and conduits are superconducting at any temperature. normal cables would burn off instantly at the power levels demonstrated from both these devices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgjerp (talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

