User talk:Zeeboid
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[edit] My Hybrid
My Hybrid burns Gas and Rubber.
[edit] Interview with Art Robinson, Prof of Chemestry of the Oregon Petition
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[edit] Questions I would like answered
The Image listed under the Global Warming section for 1995-2004 mean temperatures reads as:
- Mean surface temperature anomalies during the period 1995 to 2004 with respect to the average temperatures from 1940 to 1980
- How is it fair to compare a 40 year time span with a 9 year time span?
- Wouldn't the average temperature be lowered using a broader range of 40 years?
- What about the time between 1980-1995? There is no listing of temperature data here.
- what about the recorded temperatures before 1940? The way it reads you could als make the argument for Global Warming using the following: Between the hours of 12:01am-7:00am the average temperature was 45 degrease. then from 2:00pm-3:00pm the average temperature was 96 degrease. This is proof that the earth is rapidly warming.
- Where does the data of the Earth warming without man's intervention play into the climate models of today?
- How did man cause the Climate Optimum?
- If Glaciers are receding from Greenland, Who is to say its a bad thing? The Vikings, as you well know, lived on Greenland while it was Green, and prospered there for a few hundred years, only to be killed off by Global Cooling while entering the little ice age.
- Do you have data on the average Earth Temperature throughout history (from core samples and what not) to compare it to today's temperature to see if what we are experiencing now for temp is even "normal"?--Zeeboid 17:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] UBeR is being reviewed
Zeeboid, I hope you don't mind my contacting you but it is urgent. I just got this message from UBeR, he is being attacked by William Connolley & co. and needs our help: Hello, friend. I'd like to inform you of the attacks and claims made by Raul654 to the administrator noticeboard regarding my actions. I whole heartedly believe my actions are just and warranted. Please review the current situation. Thank you. ~ UBeR 23:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC) We should write our views of the situation with the proof to show the degree of frustration which Uber and we all are suffering. If we cannot save Uber from this injustice, WMC and company will simply extend this witch hunt to all who do not support their POV. Thanks, -- Brittainia 00:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Global Warming skeptic userbox
Based on comments you've made on the Global Warming Talk Page, I thought you might be interested in having a userbox on your user page that expresses your skepticism of anthropogenic global warming. It looks like this and will also add you to :Category:Wikipedians who are skeptical of anthropogenic global warming]]. If you're interested, put the following on your user page:
{{User:Oren0/GWSkeptic}}
Feel free to tell your friends. Thanks! Oren0 22:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] St. Cloud
One of your userboxes say you are a broadcaster. Are you a broadcaster for Race to the Right, by any chance, along with Tony? If so, are you in the St. Cloud area at all? ~ UBeR 23:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, however I do not live in the St. Cloud area. --Zeeboid 15:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Award
| The Resilient Barnstar | ||
| For always seeking balance in the face of systematic attempts to thwart your efforts, you are hereby awarded the Resilient Barnstar. -- Tony of Race to the Right 18:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC) |
[edit] Civility
Please see WP:CIVIL and don't make edits like this [1] William M. Connolley 19:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Whats not Civial about that edit? Even if it was not cival, which it is... You are the LAST person to be talking to anyone about Civality.--Zeeboid 19:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Barnstar of Valour
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[edit] Your recent edit to the Apple, Inc. Talk page
Please be careful not to overwrite or delete others' comments as you recently did on the Apple, Inc. Talk page. I'm sure it was accident but please be more careful in the future. Happy editing! --ElKevbo 23:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Whoopsiedoodle--Zeeboid 02:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Arguing against the notion of anthropogenic global warming makes you a conspiracy theorist?
According to this article you are. Vote to delete this nonsense here. Quite obviously the article violates notability (a few journalist may have classified it as such), NPOV, verifiability (few sources actually concurring with the article), and POV forking. If you wish to disregard those who disagree with you, fine. Labeling them as conspiracy theorists is nonsense. ~ UBeR 05:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] JC
WMC, I did not rev a copy violation, I reverted your removal of something that is under discussion, -you are correct. My apologies. and you are POV Pushing - no William M. Connolley 17:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Apologies accepted, but I am not the Environmental Activist editing to mantain my views on environmental sites remember. I am just an Electronic Medical Record Training Consultant who's outside views when it comes to this stuff are far less Bias. Its quite odd how everything that is submitted that could detur from the GW Cause is rejected by you and your group, yet things that support you and your group's cause are taken in and defended. As an Environmental Activist, and someone that makes money out of Environmentalism (Climate modeler) you can understand your own Bias when you see it? Perhaps not.--Zeeboid 18:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Global warming mediation
Hi Zeeboid. I am writing to you because you recently voted for option 2 in the "straw poll" at Global warming. We are currently pursuing a mediation request related to this exact topic. We could use some input from some concerned people like you. Please feel free to visit the page, and to post some comments and support for our side. You can visit the request at this location: Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-03-25_Global_warming. Thanks for your help. --Sm8900 20:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks for the note
Just a heads up here that I replied on my Talk page. Thanks again.RonCram 12:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Answer
Hi Zeeboid. I don't know if it slipped by unnoticed. Do you plan to answer this question? --Stephan Schulz 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Holy crap...If I posted on y'alls User page for every unanswered question, unexplained rv or insufficient reference to a nebulous guidelines I would be posting on y'alls User pages 30 hours a day, 10 days a week, 60 weeks a year to MAYBE keep up. Besides, I took the use of "some" as intended to prevent the description of a problem, while accurate, from tarnishing the impecible reputations of one or more editors and/or admins; however, the issue itself needs to be brought out and discussed. Leaving the identity out prevents those who are incapable of keeping the focus on the topic at hand from trying to shift focus to others. Kind of helps minimize the 'kill the messenger' M.O. that some editors and/or users have to "defend" (or deflect) each other.
- Zeeboid, correct me if I'm wrong on the "some" usage. -- Tony 19:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- No, Tony, I'd say thats pretty accurate. And Stephan... I am using the timeline to answer questions used by this question here[2] that went unanswered.--Zeeboid 20:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, actually, I did answer that one, so feel free to go on. --Stephan Schulz 21:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- No, Tony, I'd say thats pretty accurate. And Stephan... I am using the timeline to answer questions used by this question here[2] that went unanswered.--Zeeboid 20:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] William, whats up with your deletion of the opposition?
User:William M. Connolley here is Removing posts that he doesn't agree with in talk page of Talk:Scientific opinion on climate change
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- Could you list for me, Nethgrib, any Science that had a "Scientific Consensus" before this "Global Warming" thing?--Zeeboid 19:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- So, it is acceptable to delete other's comments on the talk page without any discussion or explanation? I'm learning more about the Wikipedia culture everyday. -- Tony 21:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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+ ::::::::It would appear William realy does not this question asked, after removing it twice from this page. Could you please cite for us the WIki policy you are refrencing? Also Could you answer it for us, William, you know... from your neutral point of view? Could you list for me, William, any Science that had a "Scientific Consensus" before this "Global Warming" thing?--Zeeboid 21:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
And taken away once again[7]
So User:William M. Connolley, whats up here?
[edit] 1 week block
This account has been blocked from editing for WP:SOCK and WP:POINT as explained here. DurovaCharge! 15:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Could you please explain what part of those rules we have broken?--Zeeboid 17:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
You banned Tony and I for WP:SOCK here[8] and I need to know a few things.
- I am looking to find out form you what the accaptable amout of time for two people who know eachother is to vote on the same topic as I can not find a polocy that voting within 5mn of each other violates. I don't want to break policy in the future, and not to break policy in the future, I need to know spicifically what I violated. What specifically warranted the block? you listed the polocy, but didn't go into it any more then we admited to know eachother. I just want to understand better here, as from what I understand from the info listed, we were banned from voting within 5mn of eachother.
- Also You claim to have given us time to defend ourselves. How much time...where was the 'here's the charge' diff and how much time until you blocked us?
I just want to understand EXACTLY what you blocked us for. If it was for voting within 5mn of eachother, then how long is needed for two people who know eachother to vote on a topic, and where is the policy that lists this? It is not clear when there are different reasons given in different locations by you.
[edit] Article mediation
Hi Zeeboid. I just took a stand for your idea about a "criticism" section, at Wikipedia_talk:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-03-25_Global_warming#The_real_issue. Hope you can look at it when you get a chance. See you. --Sm8900 21:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Zeeboid! Just wanted to thank you for backing me up a while back at the Global Warming talk page a few days ago. It's nice for a person when their efforts get noticed, especially since I was specifically trying to be positive to everyone there, not just those in agreement with me. So I really appreciated you backing up my efforts to try to promote some inclusiveness. So thanks. BTW, it does seem like things have improved steadily there recently. I feel this is due to the efforts of everyone. So thanks a lot. Please feel free to email or write anytime. See you. --Sm8900 00:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Please note
There's a thread about you and User:Mnyakko at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Requesting_WP:POINT_and_WP:HARASS_blocks. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Apple, Inc.
A request for mediation for a dispute regarding Apple, Inc. has been posted on Mediation Cabal. You can see the full listing at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-20 Apple Inc.. You have been listed as an involved party to the issue. I am offering my time and services to assist with this issue. Please let me know if you are willing to accept my offer for mediation, I have posted a notice on Talk:Apple Inc., please reply there. Thank you! Arkyan • (talk) 17:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- I have added clarification to my final response on the case page. Please let me know if this is to your satisfaction. Arkyan • (talk) 16:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Global Warming Skeptic category up for deletion
Category:Wikipedians who are skeptical of anthropogenic global warming is up for deletion. If you would like to comment on this, feel free to do so here. Oren0 20:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, but canvassing is frowned on William M. Connolley 20:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow, william, that was a quick reply there. Just so you know, I don't appriciate you stalking.--Zeeboid 13:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not. You talk page is on my watchlist because I've edited here William M. Connolley 13:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Blocked
Please be WP:CIVIL [9] William M. Connolley 15:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Please keep your little demeaning comments out. Civial goes both ways, William.--Zeeboid 15:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- True, but you manage to overstep the mark too badly William M. Connolley 16:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- I only reflect the treatment given. You demean at every turn, and I reflect that, though more blunt. If you want to be one to breach about being civil, you need to start being civil.--Zeeboid 16:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- True, but you manage to overstep the mark too badly William M. Connolley 16:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] John Christy
Please self-revert on the Article as you are now above 3RR when counting in the WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT revert. Since you are aware of these policies - there should be no excuse not to do so. --Kim D. Petersen 21:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Zeeboid has clearly made three reverts, not even counting his self-revert. You're mistaken, Mr. Petersen. ~ UBeR 22:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry UBeR - but you may want to look a bit further into this diff. The request is entirely appropriate - and Zeeboid did the correct thing. --Kim D. Petersen 23:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hah! So you're correct. I solemnly apologize. ~ UBeR 23:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry UBeR - but you may want to look a bit further into this diff. The request is entirely appropriate - and Zeeboid did the correct thing. --Kim D. Petersen 23:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Request for Mediation
Wow, pro GW people not wanting to work out an issue... I didn't see that comming! lol!--Zeeboid 15:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Climate of Fear
Hi Zeeboid... Just to let you know that I've voted on the discussion to keep the "Exposed: The Climate of Fear" article that you have written. Your discussion page is on my watchlist after seeing your input in the Apple computer related articles. I have to say that you should get a barnstar for sticking to your guns and fighting to keep unpopular but relevant-to-a-comprehensive-view information on Wikipedia. I don't know if you are familiar with the politics of Quebec, Canada in reference to laws restricting the use of the English language and access to English schools but you may find the heated discussions on those pages (such as the "English-speaking Quebecer" article) interesting. Keep up the great work! CWPappas 17:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Awesome, i'll check that out. Thanks for the koodos, it takes alot of energy to try to keep others from limiting conversatoin.--Zeeboid 17:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An Inconvenient Truth
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. GreenJoe 19:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC) No more then 3 have been made in a 24 hour timeframe.
- You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. GreenJoe 19:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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GreenJoe 19:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC) I really have to read these template message first. I will be reporting it once you hit revert #4. GreenJoe 19:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I will be reporting it once you hit revert #4 as well.--Zeeboid 19:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- I expect no less. It's every editor's duty to be vigilant. I didn't block you, I'm not an admin and don't have that authority. I apologize for giving you the impression that I did. I didn't read the template message. It's my fault. GreenJoe 19:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- No worries mate, by your apology, I can see you are a reasonable person. why not us discuss this reasonably?--Zeeboid 19:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- I expect no less. It's every editor's duty to be vigilant. I didn't block you, I'm not an admin and don't have that authority. I apologize for giving you the impression that I did. I didn't read the template message. It's my fault. GreenJoe 19:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- I will be reporting it once you hit revert #4 as well.--Zeeboid 19:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Regarding reversions[10] made on May 31, 2007 to An Inconvenient Truth
The duration of the block is 24 hours.
I've also blocked GreenJoe.
William M. Connolley 08:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- You have 4R in 24 hours 16 mins, which is close enough. You were edit warring William M. Connolley 14:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, whops, thats right, I had forgotten how the rules only matter when then help WMC' ajenda pushing.--Zeeboid 16:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- I find it amazing that I have called you on the same type of editing, only for you to be let off the hook.[11].--Zeeboid 16:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Are you claiming that your reverts were of vandalism/spam? Since you are pointing to that report? A bit far fetched dontcha think?--Kim D. Petersen 17:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thats correct. the article contained the same opening since 26 April 2007, only for it to be removed with trivial explination by you and others, allong your typical "supportive of Global warming" party lines.--Zeeboid 17:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Are you claiming that your reverts were of vandalism/spam? Since you are pointing to that report? A bit far fetched dontcha think?--Kim D. Petersen 17:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- I find it amazing that I have called you on the same type of editing, only for you to be let off the hook.[11].--Zeeboid 16:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, whops, thats right, I had forgotten how the rules only matter when then help WMC' ajenda pushing.--Zeeboid 16:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- are you claiming that you support article POV vandalism when it supports your cause?--Zeeboid 17:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry Z, but I believe that this block was fair and justified. I think that the article as it stands now is a fair compromise, and you and GreenJoe edit warring isn't going to make the article any better. How can you accuse WMC of pushing POV with this block when he blocked GreenJoe as well? Oren0 22:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Its their defense of the "Controversial" title for TGGWS yet the removal of the "Controversial" title for AIT that I thing is BIAS. I am just looking for constancy, but not finding it. A movie that is claimed to be in the same field as “nazi propaganda” by some is obviously controversial.--Zeeboid 15:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry Z, but I believe that this block was fair and justified. I think that the article as it stands now is a fair compromise, and you and GreenJoe edit warring isn't going to make the article any better. How can you accuse WMC of pushing POV with this block when he blocked GreenJoe as well? Oren0 22:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
Please do not mark non-vandalism edits as vandalism, as you did here. You can refer to Wp:vand#What_vandalism_is_not for further explanation. Thanks. Raymond Arritt 15:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- Intrestering, nope... not seeing anything on there that says vandalism is not "COI edit waring." car to educate me?--Zeeboid 15:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 3RR Exposed: The Climate of Fear
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Exposed: The Climate of Fear. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. -wizzard2k (C•T•D) 15:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Personal attacks
- Don't* go flinging baseless accusations of vandalism around please, try to contribute constructively. I've blocked you for 3h William M. Connolley 16:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Zeeboid, this block had one purpose which has come clear recently. The pot calls the kettle black and punishes the kettle. While both were in the wrong only one will have a punishment on the record. And for the rest of the kettle's existance baseless blocks will be made against it using the previous fabricated blocks as proof of a pattern. Hypocrisy? Sure, but when a pot's congregation has its crusade there is no principle that is held to.
Beware, Zeeboid. They will continue blocking you for imaginary reasons and your future efforts to have the blocks undone will be denied by people who are too afraid to take a stand for what is right.
And honorable people know that every single name thrown at you, every single accusation levied against you and every single whine uttered about you is a reflection of the source's own actions. You are no different from them except they have power that they abuse and you are their current target. You are not the first they have retaliated against and you will not be the last.
[edit] Understanding warm bias in the temperature record
I know you have an interest in global warming. As you may know, there are serious problems with the temperature record being biased by UHI or similar warming biases related to land use changes, etc. ClimateAudit.org is organizing an effort to photograph sites. Understanding the issue will help you be a better editor and improve the quality of Wikipedia articles on AGW. If you are interested, you could be a part of the effort. Please take a look here. [12] RonCram 05:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I will give you a few links that will speed you along when you find the time (if you can). The effort is led by Anthony Watts, a regular contributor to ClimateAudit.org. Some of the pictures indicate that increasing temperatures are probably a result of changes at temperature stations. The website is here. [13] Steve McIntyre fully supports the effort. [14] And so does Roger Pielke Sr. [15] RonCram 07:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Blocked for 24 hours
I've blocked you for 24 hours for this luidcrious edit - as textbook a case of POV pushing as I've ever seen. Raul654 18:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Your kidding right, this comming from a guy who did this?[16] I would like this to be challagned.
- I've contacted the blocking admin for clarification. - auburnpilot talk 20:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- The reason had nothing to do with recurring, however, i was blocked for POV Pushing, while in the article the blocker is guilty of the same offence, yet remains unblocked. Also, this is the first time in the history of this article I have reverted anything, which can not be said for Raul654. I don't understand how it can be a recurrin problem, if I have never done it before on this article.--Zeeboid 20:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I was blocked[17] when removing the word "controversy" [18] from the article on TGGWS, after noting comments about the word "controversy" on AIT, and how inapproperate it is to list controversial in the way that it is [19], while the reason for my block is POV, dispite the blocker committing POV far worse [20] on the same article.--Zeeboid 20:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am also looking through Wikipedia's policy on Blocking, and can't find POV anywhere as a reason to block someone...--Zeeboid 20:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I can not find anywhere in the policy that says my block shoud stick. the closest would be revert waring[21] but i have never edited this page before.--Zeeboid 20:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Have to agree this block is completely unjustified. There are several editors who disagree with "controversial" in the opening sentence, a position which was confirmed by RfC on the An Inconvenient Truth article. Iceage77 20:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Iceage77 - a consensus has been established on this (here) - as has been stated on the page (a few times i believe): if you believe that a new consensus exists now: establish it.[22]. Second: Please consider AIT and TGGWS as seperate articles - they are not the same. One is an academy-award winning documentary - and the other is a TV production. Just as the wording for Star Wars and Battlestar_Galactica_(film) (or even Plan 9 from Outer Space) shouldn't be compared. (yes they have quite a bit in common). You don't like controversial? - then establish consensus. --Kim D. Petersen 21:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Have to agree this block is completely unjustified. There are several editors who disagree with "controversial" in the opening sentence, a position which was confirmed by RfC on the An Inconvenient Truth article. Iceage77 20:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I can not find anywhere in the policy that says my block shoud stick. the closest would be revert waring[21] but i have never edited this page before.--Zeeboid 20:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am also looking through Wikipedia's policy on Blocking, and can't find POV anywhere as a reason to block someone...--Zeeboid 20:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Just a few observations about this pathetic display of a block. AuburnPilot asked for justification for the block from Raul654. The response given to justify a block for a "ridiculous edit" of removing the word "controversy" in accordance with an RfC suggestion was:
- Blockee is an anti-science pov pusher on global warming topics ("anti-science" being a matter of opinion, iow a POV)
- Blockee has been blocked for POV pushing. (objective review of the blocks would review that 3 of the 4 were dubious at best, and in the 4th it was justified but the blocker was also completely out-of-line)
- Article's subject is "a propaganda peice" [sic] (POV about an article given by blocker to justify blocking someone for POV edit on the same article)
- Article's subject is "a polemic". (POV about an article...see above comment)
- Edit by Zeeboid was predicted by blocker's colleague (this is either unnecessary information or the premise is that since blocker's fellow guardian of article content predicted the edit must be a blockable offense)
- Edit doesn't stand the "laugh test" (where is this laugh test so others can apply it? the edit in question is identical in alleged POV-pushing to one made by the blocker on the same article 2-weeks prior. It seems that a "laugh test" requires a POV by the tester)
I just wanted to point out the fact that the justification for blocking someone (for a "ridiculous edit" that failed some imaginary "laugh test" for POV-pushing) was purely POV regarding the editor, the article, the subject matter and filled with weasel words as well. -- Tony G 21:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- If Zeeboid agrees not to edit the article for what would have been the duration of his block (call it a self imposed block) and instead contributes to the discussion, I'm willing to unblock him so that he can participate. - auburnpilot talk 21:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- AuburnPilot - just a quick info here: Zeeboid and Tony G have been blocked once for WP:MEAT (by User:Durova during this). --Kim D. Petersen 21:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Yes yes, Kim, this is handled above in #2 under one of the 3 "dubious at best" blocks. thanks for your quick comment and of corse, your objective comments.--Zeeboid 14:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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- But what harm can come from somebody participating in a discussion? - auburnpilot talk 21:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- AuburnPilot - nothing at all. It was just background information. --Kim D. Petersen 21:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- But what harm can come from somebody participating in a discussion? - auburnpilot talk 21:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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Well, it doesn't matter much anyway, as the practicality of my offer has just expired. Sorry, Zeeboid, but much to people's surprise, some of us admins actually have a life. I'm off for the night, and will not likely be back online until late tomorrow. Obviously if I'm not online, I can't unblock your account, regardless of your decision. - auburnpilot talk 22:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- "just background information"...Please refer to WP:WL and WP:NPA and be more careful in the future about engaging in these behaviors. -- Tony G 04:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- AuburnPilot, if the offer still stands, i'm game. Sorry for the late reply I was kind of doing that whole "life thing" you speek of. --Zeeboid 13:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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- How many votes are needed for a majority to be a concensus?
- What is the "time limit" on a "concensus" vote
- That vote link you speek of, even though wikipedia things voting is evil, seams to have the "yes" and the "No" people saying the same thing, calling the film propaganda... I guess I would love an explination of someone as wise as you to tell me what the "yes" and the "no" stood for... from what I can tell the poll was for the inclusion of the "polemic" quote, not the use of the word "controversial"--Zeeboid 14:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Ok - let me try to answer then:
- Yep - it certainly is. Which is why i've asked this on the talk page:
- UBeR if you believe the former well established consensus has changed - then submit it for a vote. The last time it was 2:1 for controversial + polemic somewhere in the lead.[23] I could understand if we were talking about something that happened a long time ago - but that vote was only 2 months ago, as you know since you took part. There is no particular reason to just change it without checking for such. I'm all in favour of a vote - and i may even suspect that the interest in this film has fallen so much that the outcome might be different. --Kim D. Petersen 00:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- WP:Consensus
- No timelimit - a consensus stays until another consensus arises.
- You are being rather dense here... The exact question was "All those in favour of "controversial documentary film", with the "polemic" quote somewhere in the lead, say Aye. Those opposed say Nay"
- Yep - it certainly is. Which is why i've asked this on the talk page:
- --Kim D. Petersen 22:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ok - let me try to answer then:
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It appears life got in the way for both of us on this situation, but seeing as the block has since expired, I assume it's a moo point. - auburnpilot talk 20:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Gregbard 21:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

