Talk:Zazie (surrealist)
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[edit] The Facts
Have been put back in. She was a major contributor to the Webism movement.63.169.104.2 21:04, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Wigdor, in fact you know nothing at all because nobody wants to deal with you, you are excluded everywhere, you have no friends on the entire planet and exactly this makes you mad !!!! Be kind and create something intelligent instead of wasting our time with always the same bullshit. Well we all know you better - all you can do is stalking.
I am not Wigdor! Please do not use this service to attack anyone! The above statement was uncalled for and not appropriate for Wikipedia!Please stick to the facts!63.169.104.2 18:44, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Zazie is Webism!
This woman is Webism! Zazie is over all the Internet as a Webist and organizer of Webism Art Events! She also exhibited as a Webist! How can anyone deny the overwhelming evidence! Zazie is Webism!63.169.104.2 20:48, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I am not Webism and i never was ! And you know it ! Could you please stop to spread your shit about me ? (see Indymedia) If i were you i were ashamed... and something like you is calling himself artist. You are highly ridiculous.
added by another surrealist in the UK:
Some people may be intrested to know that wigdor only uses the internet as advertising, he does not exhibit his work in any other form. Hence if webism is a crime he is more than guilty himself.
[edit] ZAZIE! You are all over the Internet as a Webist, Look!
Zazie, How can you DENY YOUR OWN WORK?! There are PICTURES of YOU all over the Internet at Webism Art Events throughout Europe! This was no minor fling or a fleeting brush with Ingrid and Pygoya! You practically started the Webism Movement with Pygoya! Why be ashamed of your work in Webism!? What the hell does Wigdor have to do with Webism? The answer: NOTHING! "If Webism is a crime..." is that what the Fugazi London Group says!? Come on Evi Moechel! You are a Webist! Here is the evidence and PICTURES! http://retiary.net/idea/idea7/idea_7/webism/webism.htm Picture of Zazie and her friends Bernard Dumaine and Tibor Kovacs-egri on this webpage, also Bernard in Mayor’s office for, “Reception of the Webists”. And also on same page is Zazie at the webism exhibition with other webists herself! Vienna exhibition opening of the Webism exhibition in November 2003. From left to right: Bernard Dumaine/France, Christian Couette/France, Zazie/Austria, Dr. Rodney Chang (Pygoya), Uly Paya/Austria
http://www.lastplace.com/webists.htm Webism and the Webists
http://sautamali.piranho.com/budapest/tibor.htm International Virtual Exhibition of Digital Fine Art
[edit] Zazie(Evi Moechel) and Pierre Petiot's Binary Crunch Machine
You all need to read this article written by Michael Richardson regarding Pierre Petiot's, "Surrealism and the Machine". He refers to Pierre as, "Little Laddie" and denounces computers as the enemy of surrealism, which they really are, in case no one knew. You wonder why there is such a fuss over the acceptance of Webism and Computer Art within surrealism. Evi Moechel has been a strong presence in computer art for some time now, you can see why she fast tracked her disappearance from her webism activity so quickly! She wants to PLEASE (without any controvesy, which is typical of her) that is what she is all about. Why doesn't she speak out and make a statement against the Paris Surrealists? It appears that both Evi and Pierre need to come up with a tactical strategy to counter the serious and convincing conclusions reached by Lord Richardson! Go to Google, search engine and type in the following: Leeds Last addition Friday December 3, 2004. The most recent articles in connection with machines Friday December 3, 2004 by Michaël Richardson
In the meantime...24.168.66.27 21:22, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Zazie, Tibor and Uly, "former Webists"?
Why are Evi Moechel, Tibor Kovacs-egri and Uly Paya listed as, "former Webists"? For the benefit of the Wikipedia Community and anyone who uses this service for research purposes and study, it is very confusing information. What movement do these artists really belong to, are they really, "former webists"? If they are, "former Webists", are they sudden and recent coverts to surrealism? Did they once abandon surrealism to join webism and then abandon webism to rejoin surrealism? Does this have anything to do with the Paris Surrealist Group's recent statement denouncing webism? What movement are these artists loyal to? It is certainly documented fact beyond a reasonable doubt that they (Zazie, Tibor, Uly, Bernard etc) participated and exhibited (and organized) webism art events, now they have abandoned their past work? What does this action say about the integrity of their work, whatever it is? What about loyalty? Why?24.168.66.27 01:22, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) Please look at the following link, http://www.artingrid.de/1sthourwebists1.htm
[edit] Zazie is not a surrealist!
She is a cyberartist who created the WEBISM logo for the WEBISM Art Movement which she helped create!!!! The self-appointed, "surrealists" in the GPMS issued a statement denouncing Webism!!!24.168.66.27 17:33, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- You have really painted yourself into a corner here. On the one hand, you call (for what reason you have not seen fit to explain) the surrealists of the GPMS "self-appointed," with the implication that there is a doubt as to their "qualification" as surrealists (I suppose the judges would have to be anti-surrealist "art historians"); on the other, you imply that what you interpret as a lack of recognition from the GPMS calls into question Zazie's qualification as a surrealist. Which is it to be? --Daniel C. Boyer 15:15, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Dear Daniel, the GPMS today is really an intellectual retrospective after all, yearning to rekindle the organizational integrity that Breton possessed. Daniel, as you well know, back in the late 60's they really did disband. Vincent and two others are the only leftovers and they really are leftovers, Daniel. I still have trouble trying to figure out the revolutionary impact of such a disorganized and fleeting gesture that you and your friends indulge in, but this, "Zazie" character is just that, a character. A, "principle animator" animated in the self-appointed indulgence that is her own vanity and it gets to be real sickening after a while. Evi's, "surrealist" label will not stand, ever. She has graced us all with the digital cybertreasures of Webism, that is her legacy. That is the facts, Mr.Boyer.63.169.104.2 22:48, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
User 24's edits yesterday should stand.63.169.104.2 22:50, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
This woman is a cyberartist.24.168.66.27 04:34, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

